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Post by Stephen Day on Mar 25, 2019 4:46:10 GMT
Recently I bought The Magnificent Ms. Marvel #1 which is Saladin Ahmed's first issue as the new writer for Kamala Khan. I thought he did a good job and felt that he captured Kamala's personality really well. She still seemed like the same character even though the tone of the book feels different than the tone G. Willow Wilson created for the character.
It's always a strange thing when you have a change of creator from one that has had a long term run with a character to someone new. Sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't. I remember way back when, at the changeover from Mark Grunewald to Mark Waid as the writer of Captain America. In any other situation Mark Waid coming onto a title would be a good thing for me. With that one though I was so used to Mark Grunewald's writing of Captain America that I ended up dropped the series a couple of months into Waid's run.
What kinds of memories do you guys have of these sorts of changeovers?
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Post by Amoebas on Mar 25, 2019 14:44:18 GMT
The five that come to mind first are:
Hulk was dropped after PAD was forced out. His last issue (the "here's what I was going to do if I didn't have to leave") was infinitely better than the next many years worth of stories.
The FF was barely readable when Englehart took over after Byrne.
The Avengers went straight into the toilet with Austen/Bendis after Busiek.
Superman under Jurgens was wonderful - but then, Bendis.
Action under Tomasi was wonderful x99 - but then, Bendis.
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Post by glaeken on Mar 25, 2019 15:32:39 GMT
Robert Vendetti's X-O Manowar was all kinds of fun. And after a few shaky steps, Matt Kindt managed to keep a nice steady beat.
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Post by noctournem on Mar 25, 2019 17:27:48 GMT
Depends. Is Bendis the Creator who is leaving, or the one coming in?
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Post by achilles on Mar 25, 2019 17:28:40 GMT
Memories of that sort of thing? Quite a few, but to summarize them all, it seems that some of the time, they work; some of the time they don't. Mostly it comes down to if the character is recognizably the same person. Sometimes the tonal shift is too great to make it really work. Sometimes, there is a huge tonal shift, but it still works because it's well thought out and not out of character.
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Post by chap22 on Mar 25, 2019 19:52:28 GMT
As a little bit of counterpoint to Steven and Amoebas, I loved Waid on Cap because while I loved Gru, I had checked out on his Cap a pretty good while before he actually left, somewhere around 385 or so, right before the Superia Stratagem. That book needed some new blood and a fresh coat of paint by then, and Waid was just the guy to give it to it. I also hung with Englehart after Byrne's FF b/c while it was certainly different, it was fun in a goofy sort of way. I liked the new lineup and the chance for Ben to sort of shine a bit...but then he ran out of gas pretty quickly by the end too and had to go.
A few others that stand out to me in a good way: - Sweircyzyynskjkzykjkyzyzykykzki's run on Immortal Iron Fist, while short, was about a billion times better than I ever thought it would be following up Bru & Fraction. I didn't think anybody would be able to follow that run, but damn if he didn't keep it at the same level of quality.
- I really liked DeFalco's run on Thor following Simonson. Clearly not as good, as nobody could really follow that, but it kept me interested and told some really fun old-school type stories for a while (although I dropped out of it around the time Masterson took over for Thor after ol' Goldilocks "killed" Loki...I just wore out at that point).
- I loved Remender's Cap stuff after Bru left. Complete and total change of pace and style, but I loved it. I loved Bru's run, but again, I had had about enough of Bucky and the Red Skull and all that stuff and was pleasantly surprised by Dimension Z and all that wacky Kirby-esque craziness.
- JLA went from long runs by Morrison to Waid to Kelly in the 90s/early 00's without ever missing a beat, despite the drastic change in styles from one to the next.
- Changing from Bendis to Bru worked wonders on DD for me, and later changing from Diggle to Waid worked even better.
- Spencer is currently KILLING it on Amazing Spider-Man after the long national nightmare of Slott finally ended.
- Hickman taking over the Avengers books from Bendis was like the universe's biggest karmic mea culpa of all time.
And then for some bad ones:
- I didn't hate Robinson's FF as much as most seemed to (it was ultimately harmless, no more, no less, with a couple decent ideas in there), but after Hickman, it was a HUUUUUUGE letdown.
- Waid taking over on Avengers after Hickman was a similar letdown.
- And of course, my gold standard for letdowns, Byrne, a creator I otherwise love, absolutely RUINED West Coast Avengers after Englehart's run had made it one of my very favorite books.
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Post by belletainsummer on Mar 25, 2019 22:58:28 GMT
I know this is heresy, but a lot of the time I don't notice the writer's name at all. It is only when there is a radical change in the title's direction or characterisation that I notice something. I guess what I mean is that, a change of writers where the change is managed slowly and with an eye to consistency is fine, but some new guy coming in with their swollen ego and one true vision(tm) who upends everything (killing off favourites out of spite, making villains extra depraved-suddenly saintly, resurrecting fucking awful characters who have been dead for decades) can fuck right off and jump in a wood chipper.
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Post by sdsichero on Mar 26, 2019 2:54:37 GMT
I was still enjoying Thunderbolts even after Nicieza took over from Busiek (was it #34?), but I had to insta-drop it at #76 with Arcudi's Fightbolts.
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Post by Amoebas on Mar 26, 2019 21:39:43 GMT
I was still enjoying Thunderbolts even after Nicieza took over from Busiek (was it #34?), but I had to insta-drop it at #76 with Arcudi's Fightbolts. Didn't everyone drop it when they took Nicieza off the book? |
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Post by Johnny Smith on Mar 26, 2019 22:20:03 GMT
I was still enjoying Thunderbolts even after Nicieza took over from Busiek (was it #34?), but I had to insta-drop it at #76 with Arcudi's Fightbolts. Didn't everyone drop it when they took Nicieza off the book? Not me - I was persuaded to stay by the greatest creator endorsement of all time 
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Post by Amoebas on Mar 27, 2019 0:09:26 GMT
Didn't everyone drop it when they took Nicieza off the book? Not me - I was persuaded to stay by the greatest creator endorsement of all time
So you're the one why we can't have nice things then? |
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Post by neverready on Mar 27, 2019 3:12:14 GMT
I was still enjoying Thunderbolts even after Nicieza took over from Busiek (was it #34?), but I had to insta-drop it at #76 with Arcudi's Fightbolts. Didn't everyone drop it when they took Nicieza off the book? No. |
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Post by neverready on Mar 27, 2019 3:13:01 GMT
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Post by neverready on Mar 27, 2019 3:15:16 GMT
Not me - I was persuaded to stay by the greatest creator endorsement of all time
So you're the one why we can't have nice things then? Again, no. *looks at his feet and shuffles away* |
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Post by sdsichero on Mar 27, 2019 21:19:05 GMT
So you're the one why we can't have nice things then? Again, no. *looks at his feet and shuffles away* Too late.
REPORTED.
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