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Post by Amoebas on Oct 27, 2019 15:00:49 GMT
I like the X-Men for a while, but somewhere in the Claremont/JRJR era I just found them boring. Haven't had much to do with them ever since (except for some fun anti-mutie rhetoric I'd toss here or there back in the Oldhouse days.
So I shocked myself by getting the mini's let alone to read them and what I think I've discovered is that my fun anti-mutie-ness is now a real anti-mutie thing.
For all these muties to so quickly and completely turn their backs on humanity (their parents/siblings/friends/teachers/etc.) just makes them what Cyclops has been for all too long - dicks.
As for Hickman's story, structure, words coupled with the artists - it's all well done. Incredible actually. But there's not one mutant I feel like having sympathy with anymore (and I say this being a huge Hank McCoy fan).
I rooted for the X-Men to fail taking down that Sentinel head thing in space. I cheered when Cyclops and Wolverine were killed. But now mutants can just 'Noman' into a cloned body? So death is meaningless to them now (and how does Wolverine's clone get adamantiom-ed?)? For that matter, the drama of their sacrifice on the space station is striped away when they know about the 'resurrection' protocols.
As for the ending and where things are now - this whole Moira ("One who knows") thing, she doesn't just reset herself, she resets EVERYTHING (unless there's no butterfly effect in the Hickman universe).
I'm pre-ordered for his two titles to date, but I think I'm out after that point - The story may be great, the art may be fantastic, but I just can't get into the characters.
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Post by chap22 on Oct 28, 2019 2:03:05 GMT
I am 99% sure that all the X-folks (Xavier included) are operating under at least some baseline low-level mind control. There's too many clues in the minis hinting toward that to be the case for there not to be something there. Because I'm with you...the X-Men feel like the bad guys in all of this, and I feel like that's absolutely by design.
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Post by Amoebas on Oct 28, 2019 16:51:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 22:38:16 GMT
Well, the buzz here got me to pick these up and give them a try. I have to say, I am impressed. These are quite entertaining and engaging. Do not know where Hickman is going with this, but I am on board.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 3:05:15 GMT
One other thing...I mildly disagree with the notion the X-Men feel like "the bad guys" in this. I think that is too simple a way of describing what Hickman is doing here.
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Post by chap22 on Oct 29, 2019 12:21:08 GMT
One other thing...I mildly disagree with the notion the X-Men feel like "the bad guys" in this. I think that is too simple a way of describing what Hickman is doing here. Well sure, it’s a simplification. But the fact is, although they’re doing them in pursuit of a good cause (Hickman seems to be setting up a really solid “ends vs. means” through-line underneath all the other cool stuff he’s doing), they’re doing “bad guy” things...extortion, bullying, playing god, etc & etc....they’re taking actions that in terms of basic storytelling tropes are those associated with villains, and will most assuredly have drastic consequences and repercussions down the road. Look, it should be no secret from my posts in this thread that I LOVE what he’s set up, but a lot of the reason why is because he’s written it in such a way that you can argue whether they’re right or wrong in what they’re doing...hell, I can argue it both ways. That’s part of the genius of the whole setup. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 15:02:59 GMT
One other thing...I mildly disagree with the notion the X-Men feel like "the bad guys" in this. I think that is too simple a way of describing what Hickman is doing here. Well sure, it’s a simplification. But the fact is, although they’re doing them in pursuit of a good cause (Hickman seems to be setting up a really solid “ends vs. means” through-line underneath all the other cool stuff he’s doing), they’re doing “bad guy” things...extortion, bullying, playing god, etc & etc....they’re taking actions that in terms of basic storytelling tropes are those associated with villains, and will most assuredly have drastic consequences and repercussions down the road. Look, it should be no secret from my posts in this thread that I LOVE what he’s set up, but a lot of the reason why is because he’s written it in such a way that you can argue whether they’re right or wrong in what they’re doing...hell, I can argue it both ways. That’s part of the genius of the whole setup. This is most definitely a more intelligent version of AvX or Civil War. |
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Post by chap22 on Oct 29, 2019 15:55:53 GMT
Well sure, it’s a simplification. But the fact is, although they’re doing them in pursuit of a good cause (Hickman seems to be setting up a really solid “ends vs. means” through-line underneath all the other cool stuff he’s doing), they’re doing “bad guy” things...extortion, bullying, playing god, etc & etc....they’re taking actions that in terms of basic storytelling tropes are those associated with villains, and will most assuredly have drastic consequences and repercussions down the road. Look, it should be no secret from my posts in this thread that I LOVE what he’s set up, but a lot of the reason why is because he’s written it in such a way that you can argue whether they’re right or wrong in what they’re doing...hell, I can argue it both ways. That’s part of the genius of the whole setup. This is most definitely a more intelligent version of AvX or Civil War. As I've said earlier, it feels to me like what if Hickman wrote Onslaught instead of Lobdell & co. I will absolutely not be surprised at all if/when Xavier ("Xavier"?) is revealed to be a "bad guy" or unduly influenced by a bad guy here (although conversely, I also wouldn't be surprised if he isn't bad or being controlled either) b/c Hickman is actually laying out bread crumbs that would make that result feel logical. It's being done smartly, in a way that makes sense, but also in a way that's fairly subtle for 4-color punchy-shooty-kicky-superhero comics as well. |
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Post by belletainsummer on Nov 21, 2019 22:27:05 GMT
Is anybody else just tired of this Krakoan "mystery" jerking everybody around? I think it is time to deliver on all the set up and get the action section of the story underway now. I just don't have the patience for this style of "epic" storytelling. I checked out of the Walking Dead after they left the farm, for the same reasons.
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