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Post by achilles on May 2, 2020 16:03:35 GMT
Well, Newsom has blown his Presidential run for 2024 by being a massive d1ck. Closing down the Orange County beaches only, because he hates Orange County, as it has a (overblown) reputation for being one of the few Republican strongholds in the state. But he's facing protests all over the state. He started fine, but then he evidently grew in love with his power trip.
Just to remind, this was supposed to "flatten the curve". Our curve is and has been flattened, our hospitals empty. Watching him gloat and talk about his power is frankly disgusting.
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Post by achilles on May 8, 2020 14:00:09 GMT
A sad story, COVID has killed another victim; Souplantation. The chain has closed forever, according to their CEO, who says, probably correctly, that the restaurant's business model will never work in a post-COVID world.
Sad, I remember going there with my parents when I was a kid.
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Post by achilles on May 8, 2020 21:23:32 GMT
I would say that with his COVID bungling, Cuomo has taken himself out of the running to replace Biden, should they go that route. It's not just his deliberate murder of hundreds of seniors by forcing nursing homes to take COVID patients, which resulted in hundreds of deaths as everyone but Cuomo predicted, or the near $100 million contract he gave to some guy with no experience making medical equipment to make those ventilators he ultimately didn't use after whining about them for ages. It wasn't just that only days ago, he decided to finally give NYC's subway cars a wash, or that he allowed them to be so heavily used for so long.
I think the straw that broke that camel's back was his idea to TAX all the out of state medical volunteers for their time and risk and work, just as his special way of saying thank you/f*ck you, now die to all those good people. It's actually part of a disgusting plan to use them as hostages to get the feds to bail out NY. I would suggest that when future disasters befall New York State, and here's hoping they don't, but when they do...any potential volunteers from out of state should think twice about helping again.
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Post by achilles on May 9, 2020 10:01:23 GMT
RIP to Roy Horn, of Siegfried and Roy, the Vegas magicians with the white tiger fetish. Of COVID at age 75.
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Post by herald on May 11, 2020 3:25:30 GMT
All right-wingers: Remember to drink or inject your daily allowance of BLEACH, to stave off the coronavirus! (Not to mention YOUR OWN CONTINUED EXISTENCE!) Your Fuhrer Trump COMMANDS IT! And you ALWAYS do EVERYthing your Fuhrer tells you to do... RIGHT??
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Post by herald on May 11, 2020 3:41:21 GMT
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Post by achilles on May 11, 2020 11:02:37 GMT
All right-wingers: Remember to drink or inject your daily allowance of BLEACH, to stave off the coronavirus! (Not to mention YOUR OWN CONTINUED EXISTENCE!) Your Fuhrer Trump COMMANDS IT! And you ALWAYS do EVERYthing your Fuhrer tells you to do... RIGHT?? You probably should include all far lefties with that bleach advice. I mean, Chris Cuomo, his wife, and his family all bathe in bleach, not relying on any musings about Trump, who BTW didn't say that.
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Post by SporkBot on May 11, 2020 14:19:16 GMT
He didn't specify bleach, no, but he did mention using disinfectants INTERNALLY, which is NOT what they're for (inanimate, non-porous surfaces). Seems he didn't pick up on the very subtle difference between a virus on a counter top and a virus that's already infected a host. Almost like his claims of having "common sense" and being a "genius" are gross inaccuracies.
Fun fact, I was using a Clorox product last week (for it's INTENDED use), and I noticed something that I've seen on other such products...I'm pretty sure it's on all cleansers and disinfectants: A warning that using the product for anything other than it's intended use is a federal crime. FEDERAL. CRIME. So Trump basically suggested people should break the law to "kill the virus", using a method that has a greater likelihood of killing them. Maybe if he presented his totally real, not made up "evidence" that the virus was man-made (contradicting the intelligence community...again...), he could...oh, wait...
I'm sure the influx of calls to poison control from people taking the President's advice was a total coincidence. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/#439d623c1157) He berated a reporter asking him about it, I wonder what he has to say about those in his base that didn't catch his "sarcasm".
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Post by achilles on May 11, 2020 15:44:23 GMT
He didn't specify bleach, no, but he did mention using disinfectants INTERNALLY, which is NOT what they're for (inanimate, non-porous surfaces). Seems he didn't pick up on the very subtle difference between a virus on a counter top and a virus that's already infected a host. Almost like his claims of having "common sense" and being a "genius" are gross inaccuracies. Fun fact, I was using a Clorox product last week (for it's INTENDED use), and I noticed something that I've seen on other such products...I'm pretty sure it's on all cleansers and disinfectants: A warning that using the product for anything other than it's intended use is a federal crime. FEDERAL. CRIME. So Trump basically suggested people should break the law to "kill the virus", using a method that has a greater likelihood of killing them. Maybe if he presented his totally real, not made up "evidence" that the virus was man-made (contradicting the intelligence community...again...), he could...oh, wait... I'm sure the influx of calls to poison control from people taking the President's advice was a total coincidence. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/#439d623c1157) He berated a reporter asking him about it, I wonder what he has to say about those in his base that didn't catch his "sarcasm". What, the 3 or 4 more than normal for this time, when people all over are using bleach more than anytime before? Sure, coincidence. He certainly shouldn't have thought out loud, especially since some of those thoughts were stupid, and that's always been an issue with him. Again however, he's done as much right here as wrong, and probably saved many lives over what President Hillary would have done, when he had his "racist" travel ban on China. Remember ALL the Dems and all the media were calling it that. And we had Pelosi with her "come to Chinatown, it's fine, that COVID thing aint no big deal" moment, or Cuomo's murder of nearly 2,000 elderly nursing home patients...come to think of it, maybe he should have pushed his authority past it's limit and taken over for the governors; he would have done much better than Gov. "The Subways are dirty? Who knew?" Cuomo. By the way, no one has been claiming the virus was man made, but rather that it escaped or was accidently let loose from a nearby lab which was researching those kinds of viruses. There's a critical difference that is never mentioned in reports. And BTW, that assessment is an accurate representation of the intelligence community's stance. But we will never know for sure, given China's scrubbing the scene of the crime, (and yeah, according to German intelligence, it was a crime committed by Xi personally, who called WHO to get them to cover it up for a crucial time within which the intel assessment said nearly the entire worldwide pandemic could have been avoided. Meanwhile, the Democrats and Biden in particular are still kissing China's butt. Biden of course because he's owned by them. What the other's mean by that, I can't say, though hatred for Trump seems a likely possibility. Which is fine, hate the man all you want guys, but don't let it hurt the country. Meanwhile, let me point out that the Democrat controlled House is still on vacation with their $25,000 fridges, rather than trying to do anything about COVID, or indeed if they think Trump is a bigger threat than the virus, (which many of them HAVE said in so many words many times), trying to do anything about him. It sure doesn't seem like they think he's as bad as they made out. Also, when you guys do get back, STOP trying to block relief bills by turning them into the Green New Deal or whatever other platforms you have, a global emergency isn't the time.
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Post by Amoebas on May 11, 2020 17:39:09 GMT
He didn't specify bleach, no, but he did mention using disinfectants INTERNALLY, which is NOT what they're for (inanimate, non-porous surfaces). Seems he didn't pick up on the very subtle difference between a virus on a counter top and a virus that's already infected a host. Almost like his claims of having "common sense" and being a "genius" are gross inaccuracies. Fun fact, I was using a Clorox product last week (for it's INTENDED use), and I noticed something that I've seen on other such products...I'm pretty sure it's on all cleansers and disinfectants: A warning that using the product for anything other than it's intended use is a federal crime. FEDERAL. CRIME. So Trump basically suggested people should break the law to "kill the virus", using a method that has a greater likelihood of killing them. Maybe if he presented his totally real, not made up "evidence" that the virus was man-made (contradicting the intelligence community...again...), he could...oh, wait... I'm sure the influx of calls to poison control from people taking the President's advice was a total coincidence. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/#439d623c1157) He berated a reporter asking him about it, I wonder what he has to say about those in his base that didn't catch his "sarcasm". What, the 3 or 4 more than normal for this time, when people all over are using bleach more than anytime before? Sure, coincidence. He certainly shouldn't have thought out loud, especially since some of those thoughts were stupid, and that's always been an issue with him. Again however, he's done as much right here as wrong, and probably saved many lives over what President Hillary would have done, when he had his "racist" travel ban on China. Remember ALL the Dems and all the media were calling it that. And we had Pelosi with her "come to Chinatown, it's fine, that COVID thing aint no big deal" moment, or Cuomo's murder of nearly 2,000 elderly nursing home patients...come to think of it, maybe he should have pushed his authority past it's limit and taken over for the governors; he would have done much better than Gov. "The Subways are dirty? Who knew?" Cuomo. By the way, no one has been claiming the virus was man made, but rather that it escaped or was accidently let loose from a nearby lab which was researching those kinds of viruses. There's a critical difference that is never mentioned in reports. And BTW, that assessment is an accurate representation of the intelligence community's stance. But we will never know for sure, given China's scrubbing the scene of the crime, (and yeah, according to German intelligence, it was a crime committed by Xi personally, who called WHO to get them to cover it up for a crucial time within which the intel assessment said nearly the entire worldwide pandemic could have been avoided. Meanwhile, the Democrats and Biden in particular are still kissing China's butt. Biden of course because he's owned by them. What the other's mean by that, I can't say, though hatred for Trump seems a likely possibility. Which is fine, hate the man all you want guys, but don't let it hurt the country. Meanwhile, let me point out that the Democrat controlled House is still on vacation with their $25,000 fridges, rather than trying to do anything about COVID, or indeed if they think Trump is a bigger threat than the virus, (which many of them HAVE said in so many words many times), trying to do anything about him. It sure doesn't seem like they think he's as bad as they made out. Also, when you guys do get back, STOP trying to block relief bills by turning them into the Green New Deal or whatever other platforms you have, a global emergency isn't the time. Using a hypothetical to prove that Trump saved lives? That's pretty desperate of you, but I'll play... President Hillary Clinton wouldn't have tossed America's viral threat plans in the garbage. She wouldn't have lied to America about the threat. She wouldn't hog the microphone and she'd let the scientist and specialists conduct the daily briefings. She wouldn't make shit up and later call it sarcasm. She wouldn't slam the door on WHO. She wouldn't remain silent to the families who lost loved ones. She wouldn't encourage fre-dumb fighters to arm themselves and gather, let alone in state buildings. And of course, she would wear a fuckin' mask. It's not that I hate Trump so much as I just recognize that he's not a leader. Perhaps if he'd ever let go of his ego, he might be one someday, but that ain't today. And he has hurt the country. A lot. But it's repairable (and I'm not saying Biden is the guy to fix it, but at least he'll slow the downward drag until a more capable leader can be found one day).
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Post by achilles on May 11, 2020 18:45:52 GMT
Um, Hillary lies about everything, as much as Trump. How exactly has Trump hurt the country? I mean, substantively. He blew the alarm on China when no one else would, when in fact the Democrats were praising it to the high heavens, (they're still doing that), while China is still lying to us and attacking us on many fronts. Biden sure as hell isn't going to stop that downward turn, he'd speed it up. To the extent he can still function at all, that is.
But yeah, Hillary would have kissed WHO's ass while WHO helped China avoid blame and helped China infect the world. So yeah, she would have been all for both of our enemies, China, and WHO. As I said, ask German intelligence about WHO. I'm guessing Hillary would have responded on a par with Cuomo, brave killer of many elderly. And brave not noticer of the NYC subway. She's a similar, though even more corrupt sort than he is.
Trump...let's face it, he's never going to be a leader. He doesn't have it in him. He's a carny WWE style NYC real estate tycoon, and that isn't pretty. And not always suited to the task. But then he's proven surprisingly suited to it at other times. Sure, his style provokes a lot of people who probably should be provoked more often, and he tries stuff that hasn't ever been done before, mostly when the stuff that has serially has also been proven not to work. For all the sound and fury regarding North Korea, he somehow managed to ratchet down tensions there. He identified some of the threats China poses the rest of the world when the Democrats opposed him. He got some trade concessions from them when the Dems would not have even sought them. He's ordered the killing of two major terrorists, and many minor ones, much to the hatred of the Dems and the press, but still the world is safer for it, and better off. Unlike Obama and Hillary, Trump hasn't started any wars, and has been trying to get us out of the ones we're in, again to much hatred from the Dems and the press. Before COVID, the economy was going great guns, better than in decades, and in certain key indicators, the best ever recorded.
For example, black unemployment and Hispanic unemployment were at their lowest ever levels. The first black President did squat in that respect. He talked a good game, but did nothing.
Would I replace the public Trump is I could? Sure, with someone a bit more even and better at talking, say California Gov Newsom, (though I have issues with some of his latest...almost gloating).
And finally, what ideas are the Dems putting forth? Nothing other than "mint two trillion dollar coins to pay for it all" kind of stuff only a five year old would think is a serious plan. The only things I've heard from them are:
"Stopping all travel from China is RACIST! And NOT needed!"
"Bad Orange Man didn't stop travel from China SOON enough!"
"Chinatown is perfectly safe, don't mind all those crowds, COVID isn't serious!"
"Bad Orange Man didn't lock down Chinatown soon enough!"
"Bad Orange Man made me not shut down Mardi-Gras because he didn't give me a ten week lead on that! Even though...er...I'm the mayor of New Orleans, and he isn't. Still, the President should do my job for me!"
I mean what IS their message, (and no, I haven't been able to decipher Biden's continuing adventures with Corn Pop and Ghengis Khan in 1704 fighting Space Nazis enough to figure out if he HAS a position, beyond...er...telling Trump to do stuff...Trump had already done)?
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Post by SporkBot on May 11, 2020 20:06:14 GMT
I'm not a fan of Hilary Clinton, but I doubt she would've blundered the way Trump has. Sure, she may still do things I disagree with, or support things I don't think are morally right, but that doesn't mean she'd do something as inept as claim the virus was a "new hoax" by the Republicans, and brag how no one had died of the virus while it was creeping into the country. Trump did this ONE MONTH after the World Health Organization recognized COVID's global threat. And he, of course, cuts them off for "doing a bad job".
Trump/his administration got rid of the pandemic response team, because they were "sitting around doing nothing"...Trump's words, in a statement that made no allusions it was someone else's call, adding he "didn't like 1,000 people standing around doing nothing." Cut to 2020, where he says it wasn't him that did it, and he takes no responsibility. Of course he doesn't. That's why you set your spare tire on fire every time you go to the store and DON'T get into an accident. That's why people with fallout shelters toss their emergency food out every weekend we go without a nuclear bomb dropping on the country.
Oh, and that NATIONAL reserve for medical supplies, like ventilators, those TOTALLY aren't for the states...that make up...the nation...yeah, smart move getting unqualified family members and toadies as part of his cabinet. How many of his original inner circle were arrested and jailed for committing crimes, again? Is it a full dozen? I lost count, what with the constant depression.
There's an estimation that if Trump actually took this thing seriously when he was initially told, 90% of the deaths could have been prevented. Maybe some ventilators aren't being used because he took his sweet time sending them out or ordering their construction, while saying "I don't think they need that many" and "maybe they're hoarding" or "I don't know if it's hoarding, but it's something, you [the news media he frequently berates] should look into that."
It's not like his China ban was total, since there were still people coming into the country after it was enacted (and, if I remember correctly, against the wishes of health experts, because, well...the freakin' virus).
Oh, and BLAMING OBAMA for NOT HAVING A SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR A VIRUS THAT DIDN'T EXIST YET! Right, totally stable genius with common sense...one who tells people to take an untested drug because "what have you got to lose, take it! TAKE IT!" One who admits to not understanding why we have drug trials instead of passing drugs out to people and seeing what happens.
Frankly, I don't see him balancing out mistakes with right calls...he, personally, has been wrong as usual, with anything right more being an approximation of what doctors have said. He doesn't understand why A is right and B is wrong, and if for some reason B seems more appealing, he's going to fight for it and tantrum if people contradict. Any correct decisions seem less like the calculated decisions of a capable leader, and more like him saying, "fine, we'll do it YOUR way, because I can work it in my favor and use it as a platform to brag about myself with more lies." He says something, and more often than not, it does not coincide with what is said by medical experts, investigators, or people who are generally competent at their jobs. I mean, that's at least consistent for Trump, but hardly worthy of second term...much less a first. If so many Republicans did just fork over their balls to keep in Trump's drawer because he might go "mean girl" on them via Twitter, they might have the nerve to find a better nominee.
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Post by herald on May 11, 2020 22:50:56 GMT
Riiiight, Achilles. Even YOU admit that Fuhrer Trump "certainly shouldn't have thought out loud, especially since some of those thoughts were stupid, and that's always been an issue with him." Yet RIGHT-WINGERS FOLLOW HIM, ANYWAY, and defend him. As SporkBot said, people ACTUALLY STARTED TAKING CLEANING FLUIDS ON HIS SAY-SO. So "Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?" Why defend someone who keeps directing you in ways that accomplish nothing but GETTING YOU KILLED??
But hey, his right-wing defenders can go ahead and gulp down their beloved leader's recommended daily allowance of hydroxychloroquine and Lysol. See where THAT gets 'em. Some people can only learn THE HARD WAY.
And I see you're using the right-wing talking point about blaming China, as a SMOKESCREEN to pretend that Fuhrer Trump has no culpability for his foolish words and actions. If you all were REALLY dedicated to being anti-China as you CLAIM, all of you would THROW AWAY ALL OF YOUR INTERNET-CAPABLE DEVICES, AND THUS NEVER BE ON THE INTERNET AGAIN! You guys DO realize that, even if your devices are not in some way manufactured in China, the rare earth materials in them ARE sourced in China! The fact that ALL OF YOU CONTINUE TO USE THE INTERNET, not to mention use ALL OF THE OTHER China-made products you have, is PROOF that NONE OF YOU ARE REALLY ANTI-CHINA. You're NOT leaving the internet; you're NOT getting rid of all your China stuff. So that talking point is just the latest PITIFUL right-wing LIE.
But hey, I'll reiterate for emphasis: Right-wingers can prove me wrong and prove that their "Grrr, China!" talking point has even an IOTA of validity by ALL OF THEM ditching ALL such China-made or -sourced products that they own IMMEDIATELY. And NEVER buying any more such products EVER AGAIN. That, of course, means NONE OF THEM EVER SHOW UP ON THE INTERNET AGAIN. No more Netflix. No more YouTube. No more online social media. (That last one would mean NO MORE MESSAGE BOARDS LIKE THIS ONE, by the way! Just so you know!)
Bluff CALLED, "China-hating" right-wingers. Put up or shut up. I'll wait. But not very long, because we all know that it's just yet another right-wing fraud.
Or, to quote from one of the articles I just linked to:
“The policy makes no sense,” said Danielle Ompad, an epidemiologist at the N.Y.U. School of Public Health. “It was based on nationality, not risk of infectiousness, and the two are not synonymous.”
He's the one who ratcheted it UP in the first place. You DO recall all the saber-rattling between "the Dotard" and "Little Rocket Man" that BROUGHT US TO THE BRINK OF WAR, right?? This is the typical Fuhrer Trump strategy: CAUSE a problem, tamp it back down, and then claim to have accomplished something when he's really GONE NOWHERE FAST! Just another two-bit con artist SMOKESCREEN to fool people! (Or, to put it another way: "Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway) It was THE SOUTH KOREANS who toned down tensions, not the Fuhrer, who has been busy PROCLAIMING HIS LOVE FOR A MAN WHO HAS REPEATEDLY THREATENED THIS COUNTRY WITH NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION, while Kim has clearly indicated that the feeling AIN'T MUTUAL. (Right-wingers love concocting their LIES about Democrats supporting China, but "Donnie Loves Jong-Un!" is FACT!!) All Trump ACTUALLY accomplished was legitimize the North as a country with real standing in the world, while FAILING to get ANY real denuclearization deal whatsoever in exchange. So much for The Art of the Deal!
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Post by herald on May 11, 2020 23:53:29 GMT
And, as if on cue, Fuhrer Trump furnishes ANOTHER demonstration of his anti-China idiocy:
Seems NO ONE is allowed to question the man-baby Right-Wing Fuhrer! ESPECIALLY CHINESE WOMEN!
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Post by SporkBot on May 12, 2020 1:54:57 GMT
Honestly, I could easily see him being just as dismissive to any other reporter, regardless of race. So while he's said racist stuff before, without a doubt, this may not've been one of those times. MAYBE.
Kind of a big maybe...
It seemed less about the REPORTER'S race, and more about deflecting all blame, forever, to China. Admittedly, there is fault on their government's part, but to call it "the China virus" or refer to COVID as "what the Chinese did to us" only gives hothead racists an excuse to abuse anyone that looks Asian (which has been a problem, like in the UK). Thing is, viruses happen, and the fact that it seems to have come outta Wuhan doesn't change that in a four month span, Trump spent about a month's worth of time on the golf course. Trump, who not only bad-mouthed his predecessor for golfing, but said that as President, he (Trump) would be too busy to golf. And I think he's nearing or passed his 250 golf trip since his Presidency began.
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