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Post by sdsichero on Oct 6, 2019 17:53:35 GMT
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Post by SporkBot on Oct 6, 2019 18:02:33 GMT
That is one awkwardly-sized hoodie...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 18:34:11 GMT
Anyone remember when Marvel and DC used to debut new characters like Nova or Firestorm?
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Post by chap22 on Oct 7, 2019 13:13:23 GMT
Anyone remember when Marvel and DC used to debut new characters like Nova or Firestorm? Who or who? |
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Post by achilles on Oct 7, 2019 15:08:09 GMT
Anyone remember when Marvel and DC used to debut new characters like Nova or Firestorm? No, I don't. How about the very cleverly named "Naomi", who DC is pushing like mad now? Also, what's a "Fluttershy"?  |
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Post by chap22 on Oct 7, 2019 15:58:17 GMT
Anyone remember when Marvel and DC used to debut new characters like Nova or Firestorm? No, I don't. How about the very cleverly named "Naomi", who DC is pushing like mad now? Also, what's a "Fluttershy"? In fairness, that Naomi book is pretty good.
But then, I've surprisingly been pretty pleased with most of Bendis's output at DC so far (particularly Action, YJ, Naomi, and Event Leviathan).
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Post by achilles on Oct 7, 2019 17:59:07 GMT
No, I don't. How about the very cleverly named "Naomi", who DC is pushing like mad now? Also, what's a "Fluttershy"? In fairness, that Naomi book is pretty good.
But then, I've surprisingly been pretty pleased with most of Bendis's output at DC so far (particularly Action, YJ, Naomi, and Event Leviathan).
Fair enough, but what I really object to is the relentless push DC gives some characters rather than letting them gradually evolve to the next level. I think success in fiction can't be forced, it has to come naturally. Maybe, after some years have passed, I'll come to like her, or for that matter, the Super Sons. Cyborg, who I used to like before he was forced into a role he wasn't suited for, and into damn near all of DC's important books for a time, and Harley Quinn, who I never liked, but at least tolerated when her appearances were limited, will now never get there for me. Again, what is a "Fluttershy", and never say I don't put up posts strictly to give you guys the opportunity to make jokes... |
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Post by chap22 on Oct 7, 2019 19:49:51 GMT
Fair enough, but what I really object to is the relentless push DC gives some characters rather than letting them gradually evolve to the next level. I think success in fiction can't be forced, it has to come naturally. Maybe, after some years have passed, I'll come to like her, or for that matter, the Super Sons. Cyborg, who I used to like before he was forced into a role he wasn't suited for, and into damn near all of DC's important books for a time, and Harley Quinn, who I never liked, but at least tolerated when her appearances were limited, will now never get there for me.
Well, again in fairness, I think you're overselling a bit on the "relentless push" and forgetting that this is kinda how it's always been.
You mention Firestorm...he was created (and almost immediately cancelled) in 1978, guested in DC Comics Presents and was pushed into the Justice League in early '80, then guested in Brave & the Bold and GL and was given a back-up in Flash in '81, then given his own book again in '82, then added to the Super Friends TV show from '84-'86, was added to the Super Powers toy collection and comics around the same time. Look, I love Firestorm, and I'm glad they've kept trying to make fetch happen with him for the last 40 years, but let's not pretend they didn't slam him down our throats at first.
And I know Cyborg's one of your pet characters to complain about, but shit, they've been building up to him for nearly 40 years too...and did it slower than Firestorm. Sure, he was the first New Titan to get his origin told when they did the "Tales of" mini in '82, and he joined the Super Friends in '85 too, but he didn't graduate to the League until the late '00s or get a solo book until the '10s.
And to bring it back home to Naomi, all I know of her so far is a 6-issue intro volume of her solo book and then a guest-shot in Bendis's Action. And I'm sure she'll show up in his YJ too once they get home from multiverse-hopping. But that doesn't feel relentless to me...not yet anyway.
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Post by achilles on Oct 7, 2019 20:27:10 GMT
Fair enough, but what I really object to is the relentless push DC gives some characters rather than letting them gradually evolve to the next level. I think success in fiction can't be forced, it has to come naturally. Maybe, after some years have passed, I'll come to like her, or for that matter, the Super Sons. Cyborg, who I used to like before he was forced into a role he wasn't suited for, and into damn near all of DC's important books for a time, and Harley Quinn, who I never liked, but at least tolerated when her appearances were limited, will now never get there for me.
Well, again in fairness, I think you're overselling a bit on the "relentless push" and forgetting that this is kinda how it's always been.
You mention Firestorm...he was created (and almost immediately cancelled) in 1978, guested in DC Comics Presents and was pushed into the Justice League in early '80, then guested in Brave & the Bold and GL and was given a back-up in Flash in '81, then given his own book again in '82, then added to the Super Friends TV show from '84-'86, was added to the Super Powers toy collection and comics around the same time. Look, I love Firestorm, and I'm glad they've kept trying to make fetch happen with him for the last 40 years, but let's not pretend they didn't slam him down our throats at first.
And I know Cyborg's one of your pet characters to complain about, but shit, they've been building up to him for nearly 40 years too...and did it slower than Firestorm. Sure, he was the first New Titan to get his origin told when they did the "Tales of" mini in '82, and he joined the Super Friends in '85 too, but he didn't graduate to the League until the late '00s or get a solo book until the '10s.
And to bring it back home to Naomi, all I know of her so far is a 6-issue intro volume of her solo book and then a guest-shot in Bendis's Action. And I'm sure she'll show up in his YJ too once they get home from multiverse-hopping. But that doesn't feel relentless to me...not yet anyway.
Actually, I didn't mention Firestorm, that was someone else. As for Cyborg, yeah, he's been around a long time...but they haven't till his push about what fifteen years ago really build him up as anything other than a Teen Titan. If they'd done some building him to the point of putting him as A Justice League member before putting him front and center in that book, and not making him almost a 4th member of the Trinity for a while there, it would have been acceptable, especially if they'd just run with his origin story---there was nothing wrong with it, and nothing that cried out for a retcon, save that same desire to put him front and center in the League and throughout the DCU and DCEU stuff. "Graduating" to the League should mean something in the comics, and when they had him do so, there was no reason for it rather than say Starfire, Raven, Donna Troy, or Dick...or for that matter anyone else. And rolling him into J'ohns place as a founding member is just wrong. Show first WHY the hell they wanted him...without having to retcon his origin to make him important enough to belong there, (and WAY too conveniently powered for that initial situation). And his run in the sundry Titans books never really explained why they choose the original Vic for the League. It just seemed way too much at the time, and still does. Especially since there's never been any evidence that he's popular enough to warrant such treatment. Or for that matter Harley. His own titles have always wound up mired below the bottom of what used to be DC's cancellation point, and where other titles would have been cancelled before reaching the nadir of his sales, he's always been given more time. |
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Post by belletainsummer on Oct 9, 2019 18:55:21 GMT
That is one awkwardly-sized hoodie... Wonder what Etsy store you order them from? Or do you have to get them from the same Chinese Cosplay shop that CDawg does? |
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Post by SporkBot on Oct 9, 2019 19:31:51 GMT
That is one awkwardly-sized hoodie... Wonder what Etsy store you order them from? Or do you have to get them from the same Chinese Cosplay shop that CDawg does? "One size fits all, my ass!" |
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Post by belletainsummer on Oct 10, 2019 0:08:48 GMT
Wonder what Etsy store you order them from? Or do you have to get them from the same Chinese Cosplay shop that CDawg does? "One size fits all, my ass!" If it is from China then it will not fit your ass. |
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Post by SporkBot on Oct 10, 2019 0:16:27 GMT
Well, Cassie IS half-Chinese, so...
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