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Post by mothman on Feb 17, 2019 7:33:45 GMT
I nearly said Supreme Power,but thats actually JMS. 🤣
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Post by achilles on Feb 24, 2019 16:43:34 GMT
Yeah, his League stuff with Giffen was just pure gold, and you can reread them today and still find them as great as the day they first came out. They were funny, fresh, and took many characters in directions they'd never gone before, but were great.
The only problem is that it was dependent on those two plus Maguire. I don't know if anyone else can recapture that lightning in a bottle.
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Post by Amoebas on Feb 24, 2019 17:06:46 GMT
Yeah, his League stuff with Giffen was just pure gold, and you can reread them today and still find them as great as the day they first came out. They were funny, fresh, and took many characters in directions they'd never gone before, but were great. The only problem is that it was dependent on those two plus Maguire. I don't know if anyone else can recapture that lightning in a bottle. Hey now! Don't dismiss the talents of Ty Templeton and Adam Hughes so easily. They were a vital part of that classic run too. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 17:14:56 GMT
Yeah, his League stuff with Giffen was just pure gold, and you can reread them today and still find them as great as the day they first came out. They were funny, fresh, and took many characters in directions they'd never gone before, but were great. The only problem is that it was dependent on those two plus Maguire. I don't know if anyone else can recapture that lightning in a bottle. Hey now! Don't dismiss the talents of Ty Templeton and Adam Hughes so easily. They were a vital part of that classic run too. Disagree. That approach needed what Giffen brought to the table. It did not have the same impact without him handling the art. Worked when they did their Defenders mini, too. |
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Post by achilles on Feb 24, 2019 19:47:50 GMT
Yeah, his League stuff with Giffen was just pure gold, and you can reread them today and still find them as great as the day they first came out. They were funny, fresh, and took many characters in directions they'd never gone before, but were great. The only problem is that it was dependent on those two plus Maguire. I don't know if anyone else can recapture that lightning in a bottle. Hey now! Don't dismiss the talents of Ty Templeton and Adam Hughes so easily. They were a vital part of that classic run too. Oh, I'm not. AH! for example did his first big commercial work on that title. But as far as art goes, Maguire's style was perfect for the title, and his use of decompression in those panels showing close-up reaction shots of one or other characters to something stupid and funny...one of his trademarks. His facial expressions were critical for that sort of thing. |
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Post by achilles on Feb 24, 2019 19:56:47 GMT
Hey now! Don't dismiss the talents of Ty Templeton and Adam Hughes so easily. They were a vital part of that classic run too. Disagree. That approach needed what Giffen brought to the table. It did not have the same impact without him handling the art. Worked when they did their Defenders mini, too. Giffen kicks ass, there's no question as to that. But I think he did the plotting, cowrote it with Dematteis, and maybe some layouts....while the finishes pencils IIRC were done by Maguire during the best periods of that title. Certainly he reunited with them for I Can't Believe... and that other title, and with Perez and Levitz for WF in the nu52. Hell, right there's a good start on the best artists to ever have officially drawn Power Girl...there are more, but those guys belong with the best like Wood or Connor, and of course AH! basically was born to do cheesecake PG alternate covers. My point it I don't think you can replicate that title without at least Giffen, Dematteis, and Maguire. All three are legit comic book greats. Oh yeah, there was also the classic Power Girl's swan song in the DCU, I forget what it was called, but it was a one-shot League title where her cat was the hero, (and finally named "Theodore", after Ted Kord, much to his dismay. Typical JLI/JLE bwa-ha-ha stuff, and had them all on the title. As a side note, I'd say that it was in the Giffen/Dematteis League titles that Power Girl's use as a funny character was both created and at it's peak. Her own solo IMO was largely wasted space, especially the very disappointing first run with Palmiotti, Gray, and Connor. Nothing against Connor's art, which was and is very nice, but the attempts at humor there were just not funny, and that's all they even tried with the character, though their initial pitch for the solo they gave on Old Rama was much better, (what seemed to me to be a superpowered riff on the X-Files with all sorts of Silver Age style weirdness shot through. Pity they went the way they did, which was completely different to that pitch---which I can't find BTW on the Wayback. But that solo showed what a difference the creators made. Both tried a humorous approach to Power Girl, but only the League titles succeeded. |
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