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Post by achilles on Mar 27, 2019 17:21:47 GMT
Well,there was no Russian Collusion.Glad thats over with,lets all get on with our lives.What,no? It ended the way I figured it would from the very beginning. Remember, evil will always win cause good is stupid. Assuming that the "good" in this case was Hilary, Obama, and the Dems, that would be correct. I mean, starting an investigation on the basis of a completely discredited dossier put together...by people Hilary hired to do that, in the absence of any other evidence supporting the contention that Trump was in cahoots with the Russians to steal the election, (great just Vladimir, betting on the guy no one else though stood a chance, can I take you with me to Vegas next time?), doesn't sound like a rocket-science move to me. Especially with the outgoing President, Mr. "Please tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility to work with him AFTER the election" Obama, in office. I mean if you wanted a Manchurian Candidate, you already had one with the guy who refused to help the Ukrainians out, and the guy who famously laughed at Romney's entirely true, (for a change), statement that the Russians are our number one geopolitical enemy, laughing "The 80s want their foreign policy back". Let's see what Trump did there. Hmmm...armed the Ukrainians, put missiles and some troops in Poland, something Obama had backed down on when Uncle Vlad told him to, sanctioned the Russians, kicked out a record number of Russian diplomats after the Russians poisoned some people in the UK with nerve gas, let his troops attack and kill hundreds of Russian mercs in Syria. Yep, sounds like a guy who'd conspired with those same Russians. Geeze, why anyone even pretended to believe that one is beyond sanity's grasp. They should have led with something believable, like Trump banging some porn starlet. Bill Clinton could tell you how well the sex thing sells in impeachment proceedings. Anyhow, way to go guys with that great exercise in petulance, refusal to accept that Trump won the election because Hilary and everyone else offered up sucked donkey balls, and in undermining the democratic process with the idea of endless investigation into a President because you don't like him. |
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Post by mothman on Mar 27, 2019 17:23:33 GMT
Well,there was no Russian Collusion.Glad thats over with,lets all get on with our lives.What,no? It ended the way I figured it would from the very beginning. Remember, evil will always win cause good is stupid. Or because there was no great Russian conspiracy. |
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Post by noctournem on Mar 27, 2019 18:05:54 GMT
Doesn't make it a hoax
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Post by achilles on Mar 27, 2019 18:18:24 GMT
It kind of does. Like I said, the whole thing was based on getting a FISA warrant based on a "dossier" that Hillary paid for. Turn it around and imagine the fury from the Democrats had Hilary won and been investigated based on a "dossier" paid for by Trump. One that DOJ and some FBI officials had pointed out was a complete fabrication from the start. Mueller found "NO evidence" to support the accusation. Also, read my other post. Given that Trump is been Putin's worst nightmare, compared to Obama who was kissing his ass, it seems strange to accuse Trump of being a Russia puppet. Yet, here we go, and some in the press and some celebrities, (but I repeat myself), as well as plenty of Democrats who just days ago were putting Mueller on a pedestal predicting he'd find Trump guilty, (or else I guess was the unspoken meaning), are refusing to accept his word, and the exhaustive investigation that found...nothing with respect to Trump, and got a few in his orbit on charges, (in some cases found to be bogus by the original FBI agent who investigated them), related to saying conflicting things to them. Generally after hours or days of questioning, often without a break. Yep, it was the Republicans doing over Clinton redux, only worse, since they accused a sitting President of being a traitor, instead of just calling him names. All because they were upset that Hilary, who was "owed" the Presidency or something, didn't win. Meanwhile, back to Jusse. There's some bit of anger over his complete...hell I don't know what to call it; it wasn't vindication, even the prosecutor who dropped the charges said he merely did so because he was paid to...excuse me, because it was ticky tac, and he just didn't want to be bothered to show up in court and do his job, and that Jusse is in fact guilty as sin. I'm assuming he got off because of his white privilege or something. What? |
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Post by noctournem on Mar 27, 2019 18:38:42 GMT
It kind of does. Like I said, the whole thing was based on getting a FISA warrant based on a "dossier" that Hillary paid for. Turn it around and imagine the fury from the Democrats had Hilary won and been investigated based on a "dossier" paid for by Trump. One that DOJ and some FBI officials had pointed out was a complete fabrication from the start. Mueller found "NO evidence" to support the accusation. Also, read my other post. Given that Trump is been Putin's worst nightmare, compared to Obama who was kissing his ass, it seems strange to accuse Trump of being a Russia puppet. Yet, here we go, and some in the press and some celebrities, (but I repeat myself), as well as plenty of Democrats who just days ago were putting Mueller on a pedestal predicting he'd find Trump guilty, (or else I guess was the unspoken meaning), are refusing to accept his word, and the exhaustive investigation that found...nothing with respect to Trump, and got a few in his orbit on charges, (in some cases found to be bogus by the original FBI agent who investigated them), related to saying conflicting things to them. Generally after hours or days of questioning, often without a break. Yep, it was the Republicans doing over Clinton redux, only worse, since they accused a sitting President of being a traitor, instead of just calling him names. All because they were upset that Hilary, who was "owed" the Presidency or something, didn't win. Meanwhile, back to Jusse. There's some bit of anger over his complete...hell I don't know what to call it; it wasn't vindication, even the prosecutor who dropped the charges said he merely did so because he was paid to...excuse me, because it was ticky tac, and he just didn't want to be bothered to show up in court and do his job, and that Jusse is in fact guilty as sin. I'm assuming he got off because of his white privilege or something. What? Well, I think the first thing you misunderstand was the Investigation wasn't stated by some bullshit (Though Credibly vetted by an intelligence agency with ulterior motives.) report , it was more likely related to trumps request to russia hackers to hack the DNC and they did. Also the purpose of the investigation wasn't to determine if trump participated in collusion with russia, it was to determine if Trumps CAMPAIGN colluded with russia, which it did. In order to prove russia conspired with trump directly, trump would have to be incredibly dumb. And never mind Trump going on fox news and telling them he fired Comey because he was unhappy with how Comey handled the investigation. He repeatedly Savaged Jeff Sessions from recusing himself from the investigation. These are terrible actions if you think you are innocent. And you just became the mayor of crazy town by suggested Obama was easy on Russia (By Sanctioning them) and Trump was tough on Russia by verbally felating putin every chance he gets (A tyrant who once had a journalist murdered on his birthday) and giving him basically whatever they want. Leaving Syria, for example , contrary to the wishes of his secretary of defense. Wow, just wow. |
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Post by achilles on Mar 27, 2019 19:12:04 GMT
It kind of does. Like I said, the whole thing was based on getting a FISA warrant based on a "dossier" that Hillary paid for. Turn it around and imagine the fury from the Democrats had Hilary won and been investigated based on a "dossier" paid for by Trump. One that DOJ and some FBI officials had pointed out was a complete fabrication from the start. Mueller found "NO evidence" to support the accusation. Also, read my other post. Given that Trump is been Putin's worst nightmare, compared to Obama who was kissing his ass, it seems strange to accuse Trump of being a Russia puppet. Yet, here we go, and some in the press and some celebrities, (but I repeat myself), as well as plenty of Democrats who just days ago were putting Mueller on a pedestal predicting he'd find Trump guilty, (or else I guess was the unspoken meaning), are refusing to accept his word, and the exhaustive investigation that found...nothing with respect to Trump, and got a few in his orbit on charges, (in some cases found to be bogus by the original FBI agent who investigated them), related to saying conflicting things to them. Generally after hours or days of questioning, often without a break. Yep, it was the Republicans doing over Clinton redux, only worse, since they accused a sitting President of being a traitor, instead of just calling him names. All because they were upset that Hilary, who was "owed" the Presidency or something, didn't win. Meanwhile, back to Jusse. There's some bit of anger over his complete...hell I don't know what to call it; it wasn't vindication, even the prosecutor who dropped the charges said he merely did so because he was paid to...excuse me, because it was ticky tac, and he just didn't want to be bothered to show up in court and do his job, and that Jusse is in fact guilty as sin. I'm assuming he got off because of his white privilege or something. What? Well, I think the first thing you misunderstand was the Investigation wasn't stated by some bullshit (Though Credibly vetted by an intelligence agency with ulterior motives.) report , it was more likely related to trumps request to russia hackers to hack the DNC and they did. Also the purpose of the investigation wasn't to determine if trump participated in collusion with russia, it was to determine if Trumps CAMPAIGN colluded with russia, which it did. In order to prove russia conspired with trump directly, trump would have to be incredibly dumb. And never mind Trump going on fox news and telling them he fired Comey because he was unhappy with how Comey handled the investigation. He repeatedly Savaged Jeff Sessions from recusing himself from the investigation. These are terrible actions if you think you are innocent. And you just became the mayor of crazy town by suggested Obama was easy on Russia (By Sanctioning them) and Trump was tough on Russia by verbally felating putin every chance he gets (A tyrant who once had a journalist murdered on his birthday) and giving him basically whatever they want. Leaving Syria, for example , contrary to the wishes of his secretary of defense. Wow, just wow. No, it WAS started by the seeking of a FISA warrant on former Trump advisor Carter Page, who I might point out was never charged with any crime by anyone. That is fact. It was sought even though some DOJ and FBI officials warned that the basis, the dossier, was a work of fiction cooked up by the Clinton campaign, which in fact didn't amount to the "probable cause" that FISA demands. I'm not defending Trump by saying that his conduct was smart; but then again, he HAD a point. It was, much like the Republican's own deal with Bill Clinton back in the day, a politically motivated investigation from the start. And we have ample evidence, even now, before any real investigations have begun, that there is a sort of "deep state" in the form of politically biased FBI agents, DOJ people and other government officials who were in fact conspiring against Trump---we have their fricking emails about doing so, FFS, so I'm not going to cry over Trump berating some officials like Comey---who served at the President's pleasure, like ALL cabinet members, and thus can be fired for any reason, rendering any argument over their firing moot. And...you'll note that Mueller's investigation was completed, something else that renders argument about obstruction moot and silly. BTW, it's false to claim that Trump "requested the Russians hack the DNC"; what he said was that he hopes they can "track down the missing emails", after it had become known that they already HAD hacked the DNC. Which sort of pales in comparison to what Obama did, which was to suggest to the then Russian President that he would work with Putin AFTER the election, when he could no longer be voted out for doing so...on a mic he didn't know was hot. Here we had a SITTING President suggesting some sort of cooperation with Putin that he KNEW would be political suicide for him to do when he still had to stand for an election. A President who was notoriously soft on Russia, in contrast to Trump, who as I pointed out, has actually been harder on them than either Obama or Bush, regardless of what he says about them, (one would think that by now people would have discovered that Trump says a lot of stuff, but acts on very little of it---basically, he bullshits a lot). But we all know how the special counsel investigation into Obama's possibly treasonous conduct went...oh, wait, there was none? And of course your "credibly vetted by an intelligence agency" dossier was in fact a work of complete fiction put together by a very much discredited ex-British spy...and was NOT vetted by anyone, but merely given to the FBI by the Brits upon request. It was Fusion GPS, a VERY shady political hit company, who at the request of the Clinton Campaign, put that story together, through their agent Christopher Steele, a shady ex-Brit spy who the thing. Note that Fusion GPS told Congress it would not cooperate with any investigations into the matter. This was a matter of opposition research taken to the extreme, fabricating a narrative that even agents at the FBI and DOJ people didn't believe. Yet, because others in the FBI had an agenda, it was used as the basis for the investigation. Note again that Mueller's team interviewed Steele, and found him not credible, which jibes with what the intelligence community said at the time. Again I note that Never Trumpers are crediting him with being too stupid to breath on his own, and also with being too brilliant to be caught in a gigantic conspiracy to steal a US election. Which is it? After listening to the thousands of leaks in the Trump Administration, I hope you're not trying to sell me on his being a brilliant conspirator... Obama was French kissing Putin, he had that in his own words, which you can't deny, suggesting treason, and his actions, which I detailed above. We can contrast that with what Trump's actually done, (it's impossible to judge a serial carny guy like him by his words---I wouldn't go by anything he said). What he's done has been far tougher on Russia than anyone since Reagan. Journalist? What's that got to do with Trump? They've been murdered by Putin since well before Trump ever decided to run for President. And don't YOU want to leave Syria, a country we never should have gotten involved in the first place? After all, THAT worked out so well, giving Europe the refugee crisis... |
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Post by noctournem on Mar 27, 2019 19:49:06 GMT
Not if it means letting erdogan and putin massacre our allies. Not even a little bit.
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Post by achilles on Mar 27, 2019 20:54:02 GMT
Not if it means letting erdogan and putin massacre our allies. Not even a little bit. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk What allies are those? We've been playing with some very nasty actors over there, including some of the major terror groups, in the name of stopping ISIS. And the Kurds, for which neither Obama nor Trump has a game plane to save that doesn't involve going to war with either or both Erdogan and Putin, not to mention Assad. And Erdogan is, don't forget, our nominal ally, though I do agree that we need a plan to deal with him, as he's more an ally in name only. But going to war with him would mean the end of NATO, of which Turkey is a member, and of course probably losing some of our nukes, (for some reason, we may still have some at our air base there). We've had SOME sanctions against them too, all implemented BTW by Trump, but we need to do more. In the end though, unless we want a major war, we're probably not going to save the Kurds, since Erdogan is intent on wiping them out. The good news is that may not be so easy. |
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Post by achilles on Mar 31, 2019 23:47:42 GMT
So, New Orleans is apologizing for the largest mass lynching in recorded US history...and it isn't what you or I thought it was. It was of...Italian-Americans after the killing of a police commissioner, who was thought to have blamed that group in his dying words. Some of them were tried and acquitted, but as was the case for African-Americans, that wasn't good enough for the mob, which pulled them out of prison and lynched them. It was in 1891. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47767421 |
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Post by lordsimian on Apr 1, 2019 3:01:00 GMT
Well, I think the first thing you misunderstand was the Investigation wasn't stated by some bullshit (Though Credibly vetted by an intelligence agency with ulterior motives.) report , it was more likely related to trumps request to russia hackers to hack the DNC and they did. Also the purpose of the investigation wasn't to determine if trump participated in collusion with russia, it was to determine if Trumps CAMPAIGN colluded with russia, which it did. In order to prove russia conspired with trump directly, trump would have to be incredibly dumb. And never mind Trump going on fox news and telling them he fired Comey because he was unhappy with how Comey handled the investigation. He repeatedly Savaged Jeff Sessions from recusing himself from the investigation. These are terrible actions if you think you are innocent. And you just became the mayor of crazy town by suggested Obama was easy on Russia (By Sanctioning them) and Trump was tough on Russia by verbally felating putin every chance he gets (A tyrant who once had a journalist murdered on his birthday) and giving him basically whatever they want. Leaving Syria, for example , contrary to the wishes of his secretary of defense. Wow, just wow. No, it WAS started by the seeking of a FISA warrant on former Trump advisor Carter Page, who I might point out was never charged with any crime by anyone. That is fact. It was sought even though some DOJ and FBI officials warned that the basis, the dossier, was a work of fiction cooked up by the Clinton campaign, which in fact didn't amount to the "probable cause" that FISA demands. I'm not defending Trump by saying that his conduct was smart; but then again, he HAD a point. It was, much like the Republican's own deal with Bill Clinton back in the day, a politically motivated investigation from the start. And we have ample evidence, even now, before any real investigations have begun, that there is a sort of "deep state" in the form of politically biased FBI agents, DOJ people and other government officials who were in fact conspiring against Trump---we have their fricking emails about doing so, FFS, so I'm not going to cry over Trump berating some officials like Comey---who served at the President's pleasure, like ALL cabinet members, and thus can be fired for any reason, rendering any argument over their firing moot. And...you'll note that Mueller's investigation was completed, something else that renders argument about obstruction moot and silly. BTW, it's false to claim that Trump "requested the Russians hack the DNC"; what he said was that he hopes they can "track down the missing emails", after it had become known that they already HAD hacked the DNC. Which sort of pales in comparison to what Obama did, which was to suggest to the then Russian President that he would work with Putin AFTER the election, when he could no longer be voted out for doing so...on a mic he didn't know was hot. Here we had a SITTING President suggesting some sort of cooperation with Putin that he KNEW would be political suicide for him to do when he still had to stand for an election. A President who was notoriously soft on Russia, in contrast to Trump, who as I pointed out, has actually been harder on them than either Obama or Bush, regardless of what he says about them, (one would think that by now people would have discovered that Trump says a lot of stuff, but acts on very little of it---basically, he bullshits a lot). But we all know how the special counsel investigation into Obama's possibly treasonous conduct went...oh, wait, there was none? And of course your "credibly vetted by an intelligence agency" dossier was in fact a work of complete fiction put together by a very much discredited ex-British spy...and was NOT vetted by anyone, but merely given to the FBI by the Brits upon request. It was Fusion GPS, a VERY shady political hit company, who at the request of the Clinton Campaign, put that story together, through their agent Christopher Steele, a shady ex-Brit spy who the thing. Note that Fusion GPS told Congress it would not cooperate with any investigations into the matter. This was a matter of opposition research taken to the extreme, fabricating a narrative that even agents at the FBI and DOJ people didn't believe. Yet, because others in the FBI had an agenda, it was used as the basis for the investigation. Note again that Mueller's team interviewed Steele, and found him not credible, which jibes with what the intelligence community said at the time. Again I note that Never Trumpers are crediting him with being too stupid to breath on his own, and also with being too brilliant to be caught in a gigantic conspiracy to steal a US election. Which is it? After listening to the thousands of leaks in the Trump Administration, I hope you're not trying to sell me on his being a brilliant conspirator... Obama was French kissing Putin, he had that in his own words, which you can't deny, suggesting treason, and his actions, which I detailed above. We can contrast that with what Trump's actually done, (it's impossible to judge a serial carny guy like him by his words---I wouldn't go by anything he said). What he's done has been far tougher on Russia than anyone since Reagan. Journalist? What's that got to do with Trump? They've been murdered by Putin since well before Trump ever decided to run for President. And don't YOU want to leave Syria, a country we never should have gotten involved in the first place? After all, THAT worked out so well, giving Europe the refugee crisis... I stopped reading after the first sentence was demonstrably false, even Fox News admits it. www.newsweek.com/fox-news-chris-wallace-sets-record-straight-russia-probe-going-drive-some-our-1380923 |
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Post by achilles on Apr 1, 2019 3:14:56 GMT
Damn those time travelling Republicans, as AOC tweets, they had to amend the Constitution to screw over FDR! Fortunately, they had that time machine handy so they could travel into the future, till two years after his death to screw him...
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Post by achilles on Apr 1, 2019 12:24:04 GMT
I have decided today to take a face turn.
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Post by achilles on Apr 1, 2019 21:42:46 GMT
In a shocker, Donald Trump resigned the Presidency today, saying:
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Post by Amoebas on Apr 2, 2019 0:30:59 GMT
In a shocker, Donald Trump resigned the Presidency today, saying: I'm not sure which is worse. |
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