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Post by mothman on Mar 2, 2019 15:48:26 GMT
A lot of those could be summed up as fire SJWs.No nice way of saying that.
Most "writers" now seem a lot more interested in preaching personal politics then in writing superheroes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 15:51:25 GMT
A lot of those could be summed up as fire SJWs.No nice way of saying that. Most "writers" now seem a lot more interested in preaching personal politics then in writing superheroes. Indeed they do. |
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Post by achilles on Mar 2, 2019 16:52:32 GMT
Indeed, fire Didio, and send Lee with him, if not outright demote him. It might be best to get someone who's more than capable in the business element the position requires, but tempered by someone that actually cares about the characters, and not personal fan-fiction (whoever implemented pairing Superman and Wonder Woman, I'm looking at you). Create a kind of balance that can bring in steady money while avoiding any stupid shake-ups because someone thinks they know what "shifting the paradigm" or "subverting expectations" means when they clearly don't. Although this would be unpopular with the creators, both companies could benefit from have an Editor-In-Chief like Jim Shooter...a firm hand at the wheel who makes sure creators do not take the companies' properties off the rails and concentrates on maintaining a strong continuity and viable overall longterm narrative. I've long thought that Shooter doesn't get the credit he deserved for that role. I agree that not selling at supermarkets and drugstores was a mistake. However, I'm not sure it's fixable at this point. Around me, only like one or two of the many, many supermarkets I sometimes go to have any magazines at all, and in fact IIRC, magazine publishing is an industry in decline, (most likely due to internet published alternatives). I'd say that most of your suggestions are spot on...or at least things the industry should try. |
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Post by achilles on Mar 2, 2019 16:58:37 GMT
Finally, at least for the moment :-), force writers to return these heroes to being heroic. There is a difference between "complex" and "depressing." Watching Peter Quill drink himself into oblivion is not what I am interested in when reading a Guardians of the Galaxy comic. And likewise, stop with all the swearing and extreme gory violence. Want to get more kids reading comics? Get them back to a state where more parents can convince themselves it is all right to buy them for their children. You can tell a complex story without having to have a foul mouthed character ripping someone's arm off. I'd say that the industry has largely gone off the rails in the way you describe. I think editors need to make clear to their writers that the sort of thing you describe can no longer happen, that they need to restore the wonder and joy to comics. And they need to weed out the writers who can't or won't write more appropriately for the medium. And those writers include some currently big names in the industry, so it won't be easy. |
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Post by mothman on Mar 2, 2019 16:59:06 GMT
Far fetched one- do submissions again.I know 99% is going to be crap but at least give some new talents a chance.
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Post by Grayson on Mar 2, 2019 17:00:06 GMT
And likewise, stop with all the swearing and extreme gory violence. Want to get more kids reading comics? Get them back to a state where more parents can convince themselves it is all right to buy them for their children. You can tell a complex story without having to have a foul mouthed character ripping someone's arm off. To be fair, I think that you are giving a lot of parents more credit than they deserve. Just go back and look at the blow back from when the first Deadpool film was in theaters. Most theaters had signs advertising that Deadpool was most assuredly not a film for children but all parents saw was a comic book character in a costume that their kid wanted to see. I mean, hell, the theater that I went to see the film in actually had their cashiers blatantly telling people that it was NOT a film for children because they were having parents complaining and asking for their money back. I guarantee you that parents put even less thought into buying their kids comic books than they do a movie that they actually have to physically take their children to. Most parents are simply of the mindset that comic books are for kids and it never occurs to them otherwise. |
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Post by Amoebas on Mar 2, 2019 17:09:15 GMT
Using cheaper paper would help lower costs all around. Say if I'm going to spend $50 a month on 12 books today, to get 15 at $60 a month would be a bargain.
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Post by achilles on Mar 2, 2019 17:24:43 GMT
Far fetched one- do submissions again.I know 99% is going to be crap but at least give some new talents a chance. Yeah, I know DC and Marvel variously over the past few years have touted their "new talent" initiatives, but those were not "new" talent, but simply writers moving over from another field that they took upon themselves to call "new" talent. Sure, take stuff from fans again. You never know what diamonds in the rough you might find. |
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Post by mothman on Mar 2, 2019 17:35:33 GMT
That other field was ALWAYS--journalism.And I use the word loosely.
You dont have to learn to code when you can come work for Marvel.
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Post by SporkBot on Mar 2, 2019 18:15:32 GMT
Far fetched one- do submissions again.I know 99% is going to be crap but at least give some new talents a chance. Yeah, I know DC and Marvel variously over the past few years have touted their "new talent" initiatives, but those were not "new" talent, but simply writers moving over from another field that they took upon themselves to call "new" talent. Sure, take stuff from fans again. You never know what diamonds in the rough you might find. <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.180000000000064px; height: 5.159999999999997px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10365630" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30475245" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84466618" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35725984" scrolling="no"></iframe> Eh, I'm so burnt out on "hey, so-and-so's a fan and they're in the industry". And I say that as a fan who'd like the chance to tell a few stories. As it is, the wrong kind of fans already at the publishers would be sifting through these submissions, with their poor decision-making, and couple that with the lackluster leadership, you'd probably get a lot of bad fan ideas getting printed. Being a fan alone is not a selling point, not when so many other "fans" have proven themselves poor choices in other respects. I'd have more faith in Nicolas Cage as Superman NOW, than I do the next big announcement from some twit at DC. |
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Post by achilles on Mar 2, 2019 18:16:52 GMT
That other field was ALWAYS--journalism.And I use the word loosely. You dont have to learn to code when you can come work for Marvel. Heh. They sure didn't like it when Hillary's comment to coal miners was used on them, did they?  I would almost agree, but there were one or two novelists as well. |
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Post by Stephen Day on Mar 2, 2019 18:21:28 GMT
Eh, I'm so burnt out on "hey, so-and-so's a fan and they're in the industry". And I say that as a fan who'd like the chance to tell a few stories. As it is, the wrong kind of fans already at the publishers would be sifting through these submissions, with their poor decision-making, and couple that with the lackluster leadership, you'd probably get a lot of bad fan ideas getting printed. Being a fan alone is not a selling point, not when so many other "fans" have proven themselves poor choices in other respects. I'd have more faith in Nicolas Cage as Superman NOW, than I do the next big announcement from some twit at DC. I'd agree with this.
I've felt for a long time that the industry need more professionalism in its creators and a lot fewer fans. I agree with the thought that there have been too many stories that come across as bad fan fiction recently.
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Post by achilles on Mar 2, 2019 18:23:34 GMT
To be sure, I don't think anyone is advocating any of the companies just take whoever does a fan submission; it has to show promise, to be good. But the point is they don't even look at outside talent anymore. It's all just people they develop. Johns got the job because he was Richard Donner's gofer. So the situation where you hire a fanboy and get fanboy comics as a result is already there. I think we're just suggesting that the companies perhaps do something like the old Top Cow writing contests and get fanboys without connections to do submissions, with a writing gig as the rewards for winning.
It isn't like the current crop of newish writers who've come up through the companies' own programs are exactly wowing the world.
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Post by achilles on Mar 2, 2019 18:27:23 GMT
Eh, I'm so burnt out on "hey, so-and-so's a fan and they're in the industry". And I say that as a fan who'd like the chance to tell a few stories. As it is, the wrong kind of fans already at the publishers would be sifting through these submissions, with their poor decision-making, and couple that with the lackluster leadership, you'd probably get a lot of bad fan ideas getting printed. Being a fan alone is not a selling point, not when so many other "fans" have proven themselves poor choices in other respects. I'd have more faith in Nicolas Cage as Superman NOW, than I do the next big announcement from some twit at DC. I'd agree with this.
I've felt for a long time that the industry need more professionalism in its creators and a lot fewer fans. I agree with the thought that there have been too many stories that come across as bad fan fiction recently.
And they've all come through "professionals", not fanboys hired to write. You don't get rid of a structural problem like those poor stories by doing the same thing over and over again. |
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Post by mothman on Mar 2, 2019 18:43:09 GMT
Yeah, I know DC and Marvel variously over the past few years have touted their "new talent" initiatives, but those were not "new" talent, but simply writers moving over from another field that they took upon themselves to call "new" talent. Sure, take stuff from fans again. You never know what diamonds in the rough you might find. <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.180000000000064px; height: 5.159999999999997px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10365630" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30475245" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84466618" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35725984" scrolling="no"></iframe> Eh, I'm so burnt out on "hey, so-and-so's a fan and they're in the industry". And I say that as a fan who'd like the chance to tell a few stories. As it is, the wrong kind of fans already at the publishers would be sifting through these submissions, with their poor decision-making, and couple that with the lackluster leadership, you'd probably get a lot of bad fan ideas getting printed. Being a fan alone is not a selling point, not when so many other "fans" have proven themselves poor choices in other respects. I'd have more faith in Nicolas Cage as Superman NOW, than I do the next big announcement from some twit at DC. Nobody is saying they should print ALL of them.Review it,throw away 99% of it,review the promising 1% then maybe call the writer/artist in for an interview.More or less how every job application works. |
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