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Post by Stephen Day on Mar 2, 2019 19:00:48 GMT
And they've all come through "professionals", not fanboys hired to write. You don't get rid of a structural problem like those poor stories by doing the same thing over and over again. "Professionals" is my point though. A lot of the bad stories (Aaron's current Avengers run being a good example) come across as bad story ideas that the writer has wanted to use since they were a younger that no one has told them was a bad idea. It's fanboy writing even if it's written by a current professional. |
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Post by achilles on Mar 2, 2019 19:48:57 GMT
And they've all come through "professionals", not fanboys hired to write. You don't get rid of a structural problem like those poor stories by doing the same thing over and over again. "Professionals" is my point though. A lot of the bad stories (Aaron's current Avengers run being a good example) come across as bad story ideas that the writer has wanted to use since they were a younger that no one has told them was a bad idea. It's fanboy writing even if it's written by a current professional. Well, a pro should turn out the work of an amateur, period. That's true whether it's this industry, or any other. You expect the pros to do certain things, and not make certain mistakes. And that's on them, and the people who employ them. Maybe a few firings of big name writers for writing bad stories would help send a message that you can't half-ass it. And tougher editors who will tell writers when they're on the wrong track and insist they fix it are part of that picture as well. |
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Post by glaeken on Mar 2, 2019 20:39:28 GMT
Licencing out the Captain Marvel name may be the better way they can keep rights. No comics needed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 22:24:20 GMT
And likewise, stop with all the swearing and extreme gory violence. Want to get more kids reading comics? Get them back to a state where more parents can convince themselves it is all right to buy them for their children. You can tell a complex story without having to have a foul mouthed character ripping someone's arm off. To be fair, I think that you are giving a lot of parents more credit than they deserve. Just go back and look at the blow back from when the first Deadpool film was in theaters. Most theaters had signs advertising that Deadpool was most assuredly not a film for children but all parents saw was a comic book character in a costume that their kid wanted to see. I mean, hell, the theater that I went to see the film in actually had their cashiers blatantly telling people that it was NOT a film for children because they were having parents complaining and asking for their money back. I guarantee you that parents put even less thought into buying their kids comic books than they do a movie that they actually have to physically take their children to. Most parents are simply of the mindset that comic books are for kids and it never occurs to them otherwise. I do not know about that being a widespread phenomenon. One thing that happens a lot in today's world is a story or three from a couple of sources tend to give the perception issues or trends are much larger and more pervasive than they actually are. I went to see both Deadpool movies in the theater, and I do not recall many, if any, kids in the theater. That is not to say it did not happen, but just how many parents really did that sort of thing? In the age of the "narrative," a little healthy skepticism is probably a good thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 22:24:53 GMT
That other field was ALWAYS--journalism.And I use the word loosely. You dont have to learn to code when you can come work for Marvel. They will when they leave. |
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Post by SporkBot on Mar 3, 2019 2:09:41 GMT
<iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.180000000000064px; height: 5.159999999999997px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10365630" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30475245" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84466618" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35725984" scrolling="no"></iframe> Eh, I'm so burnt out on "hey, so-and-so's a fan and they're in the industry". And I say that as a fan who'd like the chance to tell a few stories. As it is, the wrong kind of fans already at the publishers would be sifting through these submissions, with their poor decision-making, and couple that with the lackluster leadership, you'd probably get a lot of bad fan ideas getting printed. Being a fan alone is not a selling point, not when so many other "fans" have proven themselves poor choices in other respects. I'd have more faith in Nicolas Cage as Superman NOW, than I do the next big announcement from some twit at DC. Nobody is saying they should print ALL of them.Review it,throw away 99% of it,review the promising 1% then maybe call the writer/artist in for an interview.More or less how every job application works. Well, yeah, I get that. My point is that maybe some of the people who'd be doing the cutting would make mistakes. Hence my notation of fan-writers' mistakes and the higher-ups with little leadership acumen. They already have a tenuous relationship with quality as it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 5:18:12 GMT
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Post by Grayson on Mar 3, 2019 17:35:14 GMT
To be fair, I think that you are giving a lot of parents more credit than they deserve. Just go back and look at the blow back from when the first Deadpool film was in theaters. Most theaters had signs advertising that Deadpool was most assuredly not a film for children but all parents saw was a comic book character in a costume that their kid wanted to see. I mean, hell, the theater that I went to see the film in actually had their cashiers blatantly telling people that it was NOT a film for children because they were having parents complaining and asking for their money back. I guarantee you that parents put even less thought into buying their kids comic books than they do a movie that they actually have to physically take their children to. Most parents are simply of the mindset that comic books are for kids and it never occurs to them otherwise. I do not know about that being a widespread phenomenon. One thing that happens a lot in today's world is a story or three from a couple of sources tend to give the perception issues or trends are much larger and more pervasive than they actually are. I went to see both Deadpool movies in the theater, and I do not recall many, if any, kids in the theater. That is not to say it did not happen, but just how many parents really did that sort of thing? In the age of the "narrative," a little healthy skepticism is probably a good thing. See, this is a time in which having the Outhouse around would have been a good thing, lol. This was discussed and documented at the time. I have no way of properly gauging it but at the time that Deadpool came out, the fact that it was supposedly a superhero film that was a spin-off of the X-Men film franchise with a hard R-rating was a pretty big deal because a lot of people didn't pay attention to that "hard R" detail. Ryan Reynolds even got involved and reprised the role of Deadpool to speak against taking your kids to see the film. So, it was at least noticeable enough to get an actor to make a video about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 18:14:08 GMT
I do not know about that being a widespread phenomenon. One thing that happens a lot in today's world is a story or three from a couple of sources tend to give the perception issues or trends are much larger and more pervasive than they actually are. I went to see both Deadpool movies in the theater, and I do not recall many, if any, kids in the theater. That is not to say it did not happen, but just how many parents really did that sort of thing? In the age of the "narrative," a little healthy skepticism is probably a good thing. See, this is a time in which having the Outhouse around would have been a good thing, lol. This was discussed and documented at the time. I have no way of properly gauging it but at the time that Deadpool came out, the fact that it was supposedly a superhero film that was a spin-off of the X-Men film franchise with a hard R-rating was a pretty big deal because a lot of people didn't pay attention to that "hard R" detail. Ryan Reynolds even got involved and reprised the role of Deadpool to speak against taking your kids to see the film. So, it was at least noticeable enough to get an actor to make a video about it. Yeah, that is the data driven hard info one needs to support the notion. |
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Post by Grayson on Mar 3, 2019 18:22:47 GMT
See, this is a time in which having the Outhouse around would have been a good thing, lol. This was discussed and documented at the time. I have no way of properly gauging it but at the time that Deadpool came out, the fact that it was supposedly a superhero film that was a spin-off of the X-Men film franchise with a hard R-rating was a pretty big deal because a lot of people didn't pay attention to that "hard R" detail. Ryan Reynolds even got involved and reprised the role of Deadpool to speak against taking your kids to see the film. So, it was at least noticeable enough to get an actor to make a video about it. Yeah, that is the data driven hard info one needs to support the notion. Meh. |
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Post by mothman on Mar 3, 2019 18:36:27 GMT
To go back to the opening,I dont think Disney is going to close down Marvel,but in the future they will probably absorb them under their own publishing wing.What that might bring is anyones guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 18:47:24 GMT
To go back to the opening,I dont think Disney is going to close down Marvel,but in the future they will probably absorb them under their own publishing wing.What that might bring is anyones guess. Disney likes to farm out their publishing. |
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Post by achilles on Mar 3, 2019 19:07:27 GMT
To go back to the opening,I dont think Disney is going to close down Marvel,but in the future they will probably absorb them under their own publishing wing.What that might bring is anyones guess. Disney likes to farm out their publishing. Whether or not they do, I also don't see them giving up having Marvel publishing comics. That would close down the main avenue to the core audience for their movies and TV; the hard-core Marvel Comics fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 20:07:02 GMT
Disney likes to farm out their publishing. Whether or not they do, I also don't see them giving up having Marvel publishing comics. That would close down the main avenue to the core audience for their movies and TV; the hard-core Marvel Comics fans. Why not? Sell the rights to make those comics to Dynamite or IDW. They get the best of both worlds; comics still being produced without having the financial anchor Marvel currently is to them. |
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Post by mothman on Mar 3, 2019 21:40:22 GMT
IDW is already publishing a few Marvel titles,so more or all is possible.
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