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Post by mothman on Feb 15, 2019 6:53:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 12:40:42 GMT
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Post by chap22 on Feb 15, 2019 14:56:51 GMT
I cant stand Tom King tbh.Edgelord bullshitter. I don't know that I'd go this far, but I stand closer to your POV than the opposite. King is real hit or miss for me, and it's very extreme either way, there's no real middle ground.
For instance, I think his Grayson was really good, Mr. Miracle is legit great, and his Batman/Elmer Fudd 1-shot was infinitely better than it ever had any business being.
But then.... Heroes in Crisis is abysmally awful.
While I concede Vision is a well-crafted book, I absolutely hate it. It's my take on Watchmen to the infinite power. And he is currently writing the single worst Batman run of my lifetime (that wasn't written by a bad artist who for some unfathomable reason DC editorial decided to let moonlight with a writing gig...a.k.a Tony Daniel or David Finch)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 15:03:34 GMT
I cant stand Tom King tbh.Edgelord bullshitter.
And he is currently writing the single worst Batman run of my lifetime (that wasn't written by a bad artist who for some unfathomable reason DC editorial decided to let moonlight with a writing gig...a.k.a Tony Daniel or David Finch)
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Post by chap22 on Feb 15, 2019 16:00:41 GMT
And he is currently writing the single worst Batman run of my lifetime (that wasn't written by a bad artist who for some unfathomable reason DC editorial decided to let moonlight with a writing gig...a.k.a Tony Daniel or David Finch)
That seems a bold, and pretty unfair, statement. I've only read through the wedding, but as of that point I stand by my statement.
The first arc was fine, other than issue 4 where for some reason King decided to set the record for most uses of the word "piss" in a single Big 2 comic, which in and of itself is pretty poor writing.
The second arc was so unmemorable that I couldn't even tell you what it was about, other than I got excited that Kite-Man got a brief appearance in one issue.
Then came I Am Suicide, which is hands down the worst batman story I've ever read. I honestly do not believe anyone can defend that garbage.
And just so you don't think I'm being entirely unfair, it's not ALL bad. I Am Bane that came after I Am Suicide I will admit was actually pretty good, it's easily my favorite arc of the run, but it's nowhere near an all-timer. And the 2- or 3-parter where Catwoman and Talia face off is probably the second best story, but again, nothing to really write home about. There's some decent character moments in the double date with Lois and Clark, but it could've easily been 1 issue instead of 2.
But then...War of Jokes & Riddles is absolute garbage -- King's take on Riddler is my least favorite of all time, the stuff with Kite-Man pisses me off and reeks of trying too hard, and I hated pretty much every second of this arc. Then somehow the Poison Ivy arc is worse. The Booster arc is also terrible. And sweet Jesus, all the "Cat" and "Bat" stuff throughout might as well be Selina's claws on a chalkboard.
Honestly I thought the best part of all this mega-story was the wedding prelude issues, which weren't written by King.
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Post by Amoebas on Feb 15, 2019 16:28:26 GMT
I hadn't gotten the Batbooks for a long while, but I followed the cross-over for The Button and it was decent enough. I later found myself rediscovering what I liked about Batman during the Joker/Riddler dinner issues, but what sold me to keep getting Batman was the Joker wedding invitation issue. I adore that one.
I agree the series has been hit or miss but for me the hits (like the KGBeast/Fables crossover) out weigh the misses (like Jury Duty), so I'm in for the run.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 17:50:45 GMT
I hadn't gotten the Batbooks for a long while, but I followed the cross-over for The Button and it was decent enough. I later found myself rediscovering what I liked about Batman during the Joker/Riddler dinner issues, but what sold me to keep getting Batman was the Joker wedding invitation issue. I adore that one. I agree the series has been hit or miss but for me the hits (like the KGBeast/Fables crossover) out weigh the misses (like Jury Duty), so I'm in for the run. I feel much closer to this. |
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Post by chap22 on Feb 15, 2019 19:11:19 GMT
I dare one of you to defend any of I Am Suicide, the Poison Ivy arc, or the Booster arc. I dare you.
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Post by Amoebas on Feb 15, 2019 19:45:51 GMT
I dare one of you to defend any of I Am Suicide, the Poison Ivy arc, or the Booster arc. I dare you. Poison Ivy Arc. Quite literally it was a good old "Us Against the World" story. Sure it's crazy that Ivy assumed control of everyone, but that's nothing that hasn't been done before with Doc Doom, Glorius Godfrey, Max Lord, Grodd, etc. Besides I loved it when Bats went to punch Ivy/Alfred and Flash raced in taking the punch instead - followed by Ivy saying something like "Go ahead, try and punch me again, I'm pretty sure there a lot more speedster for you to punch instead." |
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Post by Grayson on Feb 15, 2019 21:25:21 GMT
I think is Grayson really good
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 21:30:16 GMT
I Am Suicide
I’m impressed with how King is taking really obscure DC characters and bring them to the forefront of their flagship title. The focus on Psycho Pirate? Outside of CRISIS that dude’s never had this much attention or respect before. Silver Age characters Jewelee and Punchee and Bronze Tiger seemed strange choices, but they fit perfectly with Batman’s heist plan. I also liked Bane’s in this one: no mask, no tights, no Venom, just menacing and deadly.
King grabbed the reader’s attention right from the start and delivered with lots of big-screen action from the aerial dogfighting going into Santa Prisca to Batman taking on scores of Bane’s armed guards. The heist itself was a pleasant surprise in that King seemed to be going down a fairly standard route and then turned it around unexpectedly at the end. Each team member has a part to play and everything clicks superbly. Batman’s plans should be this complex and unpredictable – full marks to Tom King for his excellent plotting.
Is it a perfect story for me? No. Jewelee and Punchee’s inane chatterbox dialogue was annoying, but that's a minor gripe. The inner reflective nature of the narration between Batman and Catwoman felt a bit slow at times, particularly in contrast to the often fast-paced action. And the script is a little repetitive at times, one character echoing another in the same conversation, which feels mindless rather than suave. But all the important things hit the spot.
As always, I liked King's focus on Batman and Catwoman’s complicated relationship. I liked how King played on the dark side of Catwoman, which always seemed possible, but most writers ultimately seem to shy away from.
While most readers can guess the answer to whether or not Catwoman’s going to Blackgate forever, King still manages to make the story seem strangely poignant. Even the stuff about the sky and diamonds shining sounds silly and sentimental on paper but I thought it worked in the moment. This is one of the few times I can remember where romance in a Batman comic felt believable.
This book also had some of the best art I’ve seen yet from both Mikel Janin and Mitch Gerads. Janin’s art on the Bane story was very dramatic, gothic even, possibly because it reminded me a lot of Jae Lee’s spooky art, while Gerads’ twilit pages and focus on Bruce and Selina’s faces during their “last” chase across the rooftops was beautiful.
Tom King’s Batman remains THE Rebirth title to be reading and Volume 2: I Am Suicide is a great continuation of his storyline. It easily captured and held my attention for the entire book and I found it to be a really entertaining read.
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Post by achilles on Feb 15, 2019 21:38:40 GMT
This picture is worth a thousand words  They should both be fired from any position of responsibility at DC. |
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Post by Amoebas on Feb 15, 2019 22:09:50 GMT
They should both be fired from any position of responsibility at DC. For poking fun at Wendy's?  |
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Post by chap22 on Feb 15, 2019 22:22:27 GMT
I Am Suicide I’m impressed with how King is taking really obscure DC characters and bring them to the forefront of their flagship title. The focus on Psycho Pirate? Outside of CRISIS that dude’s never had this much attention or respect before. Silver Age characters Jewelee and Punchee and Bronze Tiger seemed strange choices, but they fit perfectly with Batman’s heist plan. I also liked Bane’s in this one: no mask, no tights, no Venom, just menacing and deadly. King grabbed the reader’s attention right from the start and delivered with lots of big-screen action from the aerial dogfighting going into Santa Prisca to Batman taking on scores of Bane’s armed guards. The heist itself was a pleasant surprise in that King seemed to be going down a fairly standard route and then turned it around unexpectedly at the end. Each team member has a part to play and everything clicks superbly. Batman’s plans should be this complex and unpredictable – full marks to Tom King for his excellent plotting. Is it a perfect story for me? No. Jewelee and Punchee’s inane chatterbox dialogue was annoying, but that's a minor gripe. The inner reflective nature of the narration between Batman and Catwoman felt a bit slow at times, particularly in contrast to the often fast-paced action. And the script is a little repetitive at times, one character echoing another in the same conversation, which feels mindless rather than suave. But all the important things hit the spot. As always, I liked King's focus on Batman and Catwoman’s complicated relationship. I liked how King played on the dark side of Catwoman, which always seemed possible, but most writers ultimately seem to shy away from. While most readers can guess the answer to whether or not Catwoman’s going to Blackgate forever, King still manages to make the story seem strangely poignant. Even the stuff about the sky and diamonds shining sounds silly and sentimental on paper but I thought it worked in the moment. This is one of the few times I can remember where romance in a Batman comic felt believable. This book also had some of the best art I’ve seen yet from both Mikel Janin and Mitch Gerads. Janin’s art on the Bane story was very dramatic, gothic even, possibly because it reminded me a lot of Jae Lee’s spooky art, while Gerads’ twilit pages and focus on Bruce and Selina’s faces during their “last” chase across the rooftops was beautiful. Tom King’s Batman remains THE Rebirth title to be reading and Volume 2: I Am Suicide is a great continuation of his storyline. It easily captured and held my attention for the entire book and I found it to be a really entertaining read.  |
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Post by mothman on Feb 15, 2019 23:30:11 GMT
And who could forget Omega Men---Iraq IN SPAAACEE!How groundbreaking.Stunning and brave
Or Kings emo suicidal Batman.
On the subject of DiDio and Lee---thats actually funny,I admit.
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