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Post by Stephen Day on Feb 22, 2019 3:35:37 GMT
Now that Marvel is bringing back Marvel Team-Up I'd like to see DC bring back DC Comics Presents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 3:37:12 GMT
Now that Marvel is bringing back Marvel Team-Up I'd like to see DC bring back DC Comics Presents. Yes please. |
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Post by Amoebas on Feb 22, 2019 4:47:19 GMT
Now that Marvel is bringing back Marvel Team-Up I'd like to see DC bring back DC Comics Presents. As long as they keep Bendis away from it. I need at least one Superman book in my life. |
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Post by achilles on Feb 22, 2019 14:47:36 GMT
Showcase. I'd rule out Brave and the Bold and World's Finest because we already have too much Superman and Batman. I liked the old Showcase which would feature the lesser known characters. I'd also love for Grell to come back to Warlord. Frankly, I hate the idea of WW in JLD, and would like to see a lot less of Constantine mixing with the mainstream DCU.
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Post by Spektre on Feb 22, 2019 21:56:21 GMT
DC was always my favorite. They lost me with the New52. For me it is and always will be about continuity. Until it is restored, new comics are dead to me.
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Post by SporkBot on Feb 22, 2019 22:58:40 GMT
DC was always my favorite. They lost me with the New52. For me it is and always will be about continuity. Until it is restored, new comics are dead to me. Rebirth is intendedly about the pre- and post-New52 continuities both "counting", but there are some characters for whom that can't really be true; they're too different to have both happened. They've explained histories for some characters (Superman springs to mind, and they threw most of his New52 stuff out), but others who shall for the moment remain nameless...not so much, last I checked. On the one hand, they seem to be trying. On the other hand, the "trying" is being done by same people who did the screw up in the first place, and have frequently shown themselves poorly suited for positions of authority. |
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Post by achilles on Feb 23, 2019 0:36:35 GMT
DC was always my favorite. They lost me with the New52. For me it is and always will be about continuity. Until it is restored, new comics are dead to me. Rebirth is intendedly about the pre- and post-New52 continuities both "counting", but there are some characters for whom that can't really be true; they're too different to have both happened. They've explained histories for some characters (Superman springs to mind, and they threw most of his New52 stuff out), but others who shall for the moment remain nameless...not so much, last I checked. On the one hand, they seem to be trying. On the other hand, the "trying" is being done by same people who did the screw up in the first place, and have frequently shown themselves poorly suited for positions of authority. My point exactly, why should we trust the guys who screwed up in the first place to fix it. There was a bit on BC about Didio referencing a coming new DC implosion, yeah I know about Rich and BC, but it does sound credible, considering the firings at DC and the ATT thing. My guess is Didio, Harras, and Lee will drop non Trinity/League,stuff, largely because that's what they think is the safe thing to do. Also because they're idiots who don't realize that fans really do like the shared universe, and part of that is featuring lesser-known players. From my perspective, it's a good news bad news thing, mostly bad. The good part from my point of view is that at least they'll finally stop shoving Cybore down our throats and plant him back in Titans where he belongs, (his solo had been selling far below what I'd have thought was their cancellation point for a long time). Bad news is that it pretty much rules out a new Power Girl solo, (at the first DC implosion at the start of the 80s, she was slated to get a solo, but that got killed off by that implosion. This time, I doubt they even have any plans for her, but if they did, this would put paid to them.) |
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Post by Spektre on Feb 23, 2019 3:55:59 GMT
DC was always my favorite. They lost me with the New52. For me it is and always will be about continuity. Until it is restored, new comics are dead to me. Rebirth is intendedly about the pre- and post-New52 continuities both "counting", but there are some characters for whom that can't really be true; they're too different to have both happened. They've explained histories for some characters (Superman springs to mind, and they threw most of his New52 stuff out), but others who shall for the moment remain nameless...not so much, last I checked. On the one hand, they seem to be trying. On the other hand, the "trying" is being done by same people who did the screw up in the first place, and have frequently shown themselves poorly suited for positions of authority. That the deal with continuity. You cannot half-ass it. Continuity is or it is not. |
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Post by achilles on Feb 23, 2019 15:42:08 GMT
Rebirth is intendedly about the pre- and post-New52 continuities both "counting", but there are some characters for whom that can't really be true; they're too different to have both happened. They've explained histories for some characters (Superman springs to mind, and they threw most of his New52 stuff out), but others who shall for the moment remain nameless...not so much, last I checked. On the one hand, they seem to be trying. On the other hand, the "trying" is being done by same people who did the screw up in the first place, and have frequently shown themselves poorly suited for positions of authority. That the deal with continuity. You cannot half-ass it. Continuity is or it is not. I think the problem was that they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, by rebooting their reboot without rebooting it. They should have gone all COIE, only more so, starting each character anew. Which didn't mean they needed to linger over well-known origin stories like Bats or Supes, (though, yes, they could have told a much better and more well thought out Krypton story through the lens of either Supergirl or Power Girl or both, since the Krypton thing never made even the slightest sense), but they could have told those origin stories in ONE issue before moving on. And they could have learned a hell of a lot more from their nu52 mistakes than they did. |
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Post by Amoebas on Feb 23, 2019 16:41:37 GMT
They should have gone all COIE, only more so, starting each character anew. Which didn't mean they needed to linger over well-known origin stories like Bats or Supes, (though, yes, they could have told a much better and more well thought out Krypton story through the lens of either Supergirl or Power Girl or both, since the Krypton thing never made even the slightest sense), but they could have told those origin stories in ONE issue before moving on. This strikes me as a flawed concept. Being a Legion fan, I've experienced "starting each character anew" a few times and it doesn't take long before pre-event storylines/characters appear and become bad reruns of the original. There needs to be a span of time when things reboot. You can't have Sinestro in Green Lantern #1. You need to introduce Hal first, then the GLC, then Sinestro. That's a lot for a first issue. And let's add in all the Guy, John & Kyle fans who won't see their favorite characters for months years/down the line. New 52's five year passage was necessary, albeit poorly executed in many places (i.e. squeezing so many Robins into such a short timeframe) but doing it otherwise would be tragic. |
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Post by achilles on Feb 23, 2019 17:56:29 GMT
They should have gone all COIE, only more so, starting each character anew. Which didn't mean they needed to linger over well-known origin stories like Bats or Supes, (though, yes, they could have told a much better and more well thought out Krypton story through the lens of either Supergirl or Power Girl or both, since the Krypton thing never made even the slightest sense), but they could have told those origin stories in ONE issue before moving on. This strikes me as a flawed concept. Being a Legion fan, I've experienced "starting each character anew" a few times and it doesn't take long before pre-event storylines/characters appear and become bad reruns of the original. There needs to be a span of time when things reboot. You can't have Sinestro in Green Lantern #1. You need to introduce Hal first, then the GLC, then Sinestro. That's a lot for a first issue. And let's add in all the Guy, John & Kyle fans who won't see their favorite characters for months years/down the line. New 52's five year passage was necessary, albeit poorly executed in many places (i.e. squeezing so many Robins into such a short timeframe) but doing it otherwise would be tragic. I didn't mean reboot all characters and teams at once. Some obviously would come first. The OG JSA followed by the OG League for example, and Superman would obviously have to be out for some period of time before you could reasonably introduce either SG or PG, and Batman before any Robin. Yes, people would have to wait, but the plus side is that the more minor characters would have time for planning their stories and characters out. Take PG, who it's rumored I sort of like a tiny bit. She's basically Supergirl, but older, more built, and from another universe. But that's it, they never did anything with the alternate universe thing, and in fact I think it held her back as a character. IMO they should move her over to the main DCU universe, and make her another relative of Superman's, rather than simply another version of SG. Or something else Krypton related. It's the sort of thing you could do with a lot of characters, the sort of minor tinkering and backstory building that a lot of characters need and don't have. But I don't think it needs the sort of five year thing when you could start smaller, with a smaller slate of titles, and build toward more titles as you go. For example, JSA, JLA, Bat, Super, and Wonder titles, along with things like The Flash and Green Lantern, the latter two with Barry and Hal respectively, before adding on Wally, Guy, John, or Kyle. There's no reason LOSH couldn't start at once with the others though, since it's a title set in the future. And possible titles like Vixen, a Blue and Gold book, or another run at Power Girl could turn up in a second wave. IIRC, they did sort of do the rollout of the nu52 in waves, they just did it poorly. Which leads me to DC/WB's biggest problem; they just don't get a lot of their own characters. Witness MoSnap. That wasn't Superman, that was a moody jerk who wasn't all that interested in helping anyone with a psychotic creep for a dad that Snyder thought made a good Superman. Thing is, with a character like Superman, who is so iconic and so familiar, there's just not a lot of wiggle room with people's expectations for that character. So while you might have a Red Son Superman, it sort of has to be an Elseworlds type title. And the problem gets worse with the lesser character without a patron at DC/WB---those characters too come with certain expectations, but more wiggle room for their role in the wider DCU and the types of stories they tell. But the people at DC STILL don't get those characters either. I've told the Geoff Johns story about Power Girl before, since I was there when he was going on about it...so his not understanding her core appeal isn't surprising. What did shock me was how Paul Levitz of all people didn't seem to understand the character he helped pioneer when he wrote her in the nu52. He got her back in the day, but not much later, changing her character almost entirely. And while it's understandable that he of all people would pair her with Helena Wayne, a better fit from a story perspective would have been to pair her with Wonder Woman, a character she's had surprisingly little interaction with over the years, and who could actually supply a very good story reason for a female team-up book, a sci-fi character alongside a fantasy character, with each bringing something to the table. Not that I insist on any of that, but what I do wish DC would do is actually THINK about the characters and titles they're writing, and try to understand why fans like each character. Instead, they seem to basically be writing bad fan fiction. |
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Post by glaeken on Feb 23, 2019 18:11:52 GMT
That the deal with continuity. You cannot half-ass it. Continuity is or it is not. I think the problem was that they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, by rebooting their reboot without rebooting it. They should have gone all COIE, only more so, starting each character anew. Which didn't mean they needed to linger over well-known origin stories like Bats or Supes, (though, yes, they could have told a much better and more well thought out Krypton story through the lens of either Supergirl or Power Girl or both, since the Krypton thing never made even the slightest sense), but they could have told those origin stories in ONE issue before moving on. And they could have learned a hell of a lot more from their nu52 mistakes than they did. And NOW there'll be a Flash Year One story. Why wait til now? Are they just spinning their wheels until Doomsday Clock finishes? |
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Post by mothman on Feb 23, 2019 18:12:21 GMT
They should do a Rorshack team up book. 😀
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Post by achilles on Feb 23, 2019 18:28:07 GMT
I think the problem was that they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, by rebooting their reboot without rebooting it. They should have gone all COIE, only more so, starting each character anew. Which didn't mean they needed to linger over well-known origin stories like Bats or Supes, (though, yes, they could have told a much better and more well thought out Krypton story through the lens of either Supergirl or Power Girl or both, since the Krypton thing never made even the slightest sense), but they could have told those origin stories in ONE issue before moving on. And they could have learned a hell of a lot more from their nu52 mistakes than they did. And NOW there'll be a Flash Year One story. Why wait til now? Are they just spinning their wheels until Doomsday Clock finishes? Assuming it ever does. Yeah, it's nice they understand that people get frustrated when their stuff doesn't come out on time, and nice that they released the homage JSA/All-Star Comics cover for #10, but, damn, how hard is it to put out a comic book on time? |
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Post by mothman on Feb 23, 2019 20:38:19 GMT
DC is doing some cutting down.
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